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		<title>By: Emelye Waldherr</title>
		<link>http://alachuavoterguide.com/blog/2009/01/20/first-responder-robert-krames/comment-page-1/#comment-2082</link>
		<dc:creator>Emelye Waldherr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I despair in the hope I can do justice in words describing how grateful I am to the good citizens in Gainesville, Florida that voted down this horrible amendment despite the cynical attempts to instill fear and loathing based on lies that the right wingers there, along with their handlers (The Thomas More Legal Center) tried to foist upon them.

I am personally acquainted with some of the trans people in that area and I am very happy for them.  I hope this victory for equal rights and protections under the law resonates outward to all the other places in our great country that are grappling with this issue and the lies that are being told about it.

Good for you, Gainesville!  THANK YOU!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I despair in the hope I can do justice in words describing how grateful I am to the good citizens in Gainesville, Florida that voted down this horrible amendment despite the cynical attempts to instill fear and loathing based on lies that the right wingers there, along with their handlers (The Thomas More Legal Center) tried to foist upon them.</p>
<p>I am personally acquainted with some of the trans people in that area and I am very happy for them.  I hope this victory for equal rights and protections under the law resonates outward to all the other places in our great country that are grappling with this issue and the lies that are being told about it.</p>
<p>Good for you, Gainesville!  THANK YOU!</p>
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		<title>By: Don Marsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason they lost in Montgomery County, Maryland is that the government bureaucrats there pulled a bait and switch on the people who were trying to get their issue on the ballot. They were told they need a certain number of petitions, and after getting them, the number they needed was changed...AFTER THE DEADLINE. Nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason they lost in Montgomery County, Maryland is that the government bureaucrats there pulled a bait and switch on the people who were trying to get their issue on the ballot. They were told they need a certain number of petitions, and after getting them, the number they needed was changed&#8230;AFTER THE DEADLINE. Nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe Brain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canberra has had similar legislation in force since 1993. 38% of the US population live in jurisdictions which have similar laws. Number of problems caused by those laws, some of which have been in force 33 years - zero. The incidence of perverts invading womens spaces is exactly the same whether similar legislation is in force or not.

Didn&#039;t you know that with the amazing video that&#039;s been produced, your little township is notorious? Many people just can&#039;t believe how easy it has been for you to be manipulated by outside forces. Stampeded, even. You&#039;re not alone though - they tried even harder in Montgomery County Maryland - and lost - but they won in Hamtramck, Michigan, with the help of the local Imams.

Try reading Rudyard Kipling&#039;s story &quot;The Village that voted the Earth was Flat&quot; to see what I mean. You&#039;re (in)famous now.

Oh and feel free to get involved in local elections here. We&#039;ll take well-meant, rational commentary backed up with evidence in the spirit in which it&#039;s given, even if it makes us feel uncomfortable. In fact, it&#039;s the stuff that makes us feel uncomfortable that&#039;s most valuable. Just leave the unevidenced opinion at home though, we might miss anything good you have to say. Australians have well-honed senses for BS, we get enough of that from the local pollies. Lots of practice, you might say, on both sides of politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canberra has had similar legislation in force since 1993. 38% of the US population live in jurisdictions which have similar laws. Number of problems caused by those laws, some of which have been in force 33 years &#8211; zero. The incidence of perverts invading womens spaces is exactly the same whether similar legislation is in force or not.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t you know that with the amazing video that&#8217;s been produced, your little township is notorious? Many people just can&#8217;t believe how easy it has been for you to be manipulated by outside forces. Stampeded, even. You&#8217;re not alone though &#8211; they tried even harder in Montgomery County Maryland &#8211; and lost &#8211; but they won in Hamtramck, Michigan, with the help of the local Imams.</p>
<p>Try reading Rudyard Kipling&#8217;s story &#8220;The Village that voted the Earth was Flat&#8221; to see what I mean. You&#8217;re (in)famous now.</p>
<p>Oh and feel free to get involved in local elections here. We&#8217;ll take well-meant, rational commentary backed up with evidence in the spirit in which it&#8217;s given, even if it makes us feel uncomfortable. In fact, it&#8217;s the stuff that makes us feel uncomfortable that&#8217;s most valuable. Just leave the unevidenced opinion at home though, we might miss anything good you have to say. Australians have well-honed senses for BS, we get enough of that from the local pollies. Lots of practice, you might say, on both sides of politics.</p>
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		<title>By: MomOf5</title>
		<link>http://alachuavoterguide.com/blog/2009/01/20/first-responder-robert-krames/comment-page-1/#comment-1949</link>
		<dc:creator>MomOf5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how did ZoeBrain, from Canberra Australia, get so interested in what goes on and who goes into which restrooms in Gainesville, Florida? Am I missing something? Is s(he) a regular visitor to Gainesville who has been chased out of the restrooms here? I think if (s)he explained the  medical or psychological problem to whatever protective Mama or Grandma chased him/her out, they would have understood, and given him/her some privacy. This is a pretty tolerant, gracious community. We just don&#039;t want to &quot;open the door&quot; to whoever/whatever will come in as our culture mores continue to spiral downward, especially when our children are involved.
I can see where there is interest and concern about the out of town money, and influence about this issue. This is where WE (Gainesville residents) live. Why are these &quot;rocket scientists&quot; and others who don&#039;t live, work and raise children here,  and who must have way too much time on their hands, getting involved in our community issues anyway? I would never presume to get involved in what laws are made in Canberra, Australia. Am I the only Gainesville resident who has no clue what the people of Canberra will vote on in their next local election?
I just heard about this website, and wanted to see what was going on in my town, Gainesville, FL. It is scary that individuals/special interests from halfway around the world are trying to manipulate our local election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how did ZoeBrain, from Canberra Australia, get so interested in what goes on and who goes into which restrooms in Gainesville, Florida? Am I missing something? Is s(he) a regular visitor to Gainesville who has been chased out of the restrooms here? I think if (s)he explained the  medical or psychological problem to whatever protective Mama or Grandma chased him/her out, they would have understood, and given him/her some privacy. This is a pretty tolerant, gracious community. We just don&#8217;t want to &#8220;open the door&#8221; to whoever/whatever will come in as our culture mores continue to spiral downward, especially when our children are involved.<br />
I can see where there is interest and concern about the out of town money, and influence about this issue. This is where WE (Gainesville residents) live. Why are these &#8220;rocket scientists&#8221; and others who don&#8217;t live, work and raise children here,  and who must have way too much time on their hands, getting involved in our community issues anyway? I would never presume to get involved in what laws are made in Canberra, Australia. Am I the only Gainesville resident who has no clue what the people of Canberra will vote on in their next local election?<br />
I just heard about this website, and wanted to see what was going on in my town, Gainesville, FL. It is scary that individuals/special interests from halfway around the world are trying to manipulate our local election.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe Brain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That incident happened before the legislation was even passed of course.

To gauge the mood of the time, Adol T. Owen-Williams II, a Montgomery County Republican Central Committee member, shouted &quot;Heil Hitler!&quot; immediately after the vote to allow Intersexed women and men to be allowed to drink from public drinking fountains. &quot;Wait until little girls start showing up dead all over the county because of freaks of nature.&quot;

The &quot;Heil&quot; bit was not an indication of Nazi sympathies, but a way of expressing his views that Government was &quot;out of control&quot; here.

In the year since then, just like &lt;b&gt;every single other jurisdiction&lt;/b&gt; where such legislation about &quot;public accommodations&quot; such as drinking fountains has been passed, there has been not a single incident that caused such hysteria. Hysteria fanned and funded by the Thomas Moore Law Centre and those of like mind.  

To summarise: if the legal theory that this law protects perverts is true, then so does the law after amendment, as it prohibits exactly the same discrimination, word-for-word, based on &quot;sex&quot;. The lawyers concerned will even admit it if asked directly.

This legal theory - whether based on &quot;sex&quot; or based on &quot;gender identity&quot; hasn&#039;t got a single instance of caselaw to back it up in 33 years, and in jurisdictions covering 1/3 of the USA. There have been cases of perverts in womens restrooms where similar laws were in effect, and in not one of them was it used as a defence.  Because it&#039;s silly. 

But that doesn&#039;t matter, because the real issue has nothing to do with restrooms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That incident happened before the legislation was even passed of course.</p>
<p>To gauge the mood of the time, Adol T. Owen-Williams II, a Montgomery County Republican Central Committee member, shouted &#8220;Heil Hitler!&#8221; immediately after the vote to allow Intersexed women and men to be allowed to drink from public drinking fountains. &#8220;Wait until little girls start showing up dead all over the county because of freaks of nature.&#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;Heil&#8221; bit was not an indication of Nazi sympathies, but a way of expressing his views that Government was &#8220;out of control&#8221; here.</p>
<p>In the year since then, just like <b>every single other jurisdiction</b> where such legislation about &#8220;public accommodations&#8221; such as drinking fountains has been passed, there has been not a single incident that caused such hysteria. Hysteria fanned and funded by the Thomas Moore Law Centre and those of like mind.  </p>
<p>To summarise: if the legal theory that this law protects perverts is true, then so does the law after amendment, as it prohibits exactly the same discrimination, word-for-word, based on &#8220;sex&#8221;. The lawyers concerned will even admit it if asked directly.</p>
<p>This legal theory &#8211; whether based on &#8220;sex&#8221; or based on &#8220;gender identity&#8221; hasn&#8217;t got a single instance of caselaw to back it up in 33 years, and in jurisdictions covering 1/3 of the USA. There have been cases of perverts in womens restrooms where similar laws were in effect, and in not one of them was it used as a defence.  Because it&#8217;s silly. </p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t matter, because the real issue has nothing to do with restrooms.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe Brain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that as the incident I referred to in this statement:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The only other offense on record was by a member of a “family focussed” group that dressed in drag in order to “frame” transsexuals, though when caught, they said it was just a “publicity stunt”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The exact words were:&lt;blockquote&gt;THERESA RICKMAN: Yes, at Rio Sport and Health up in Germantown. A guy dressed as a girl went into the ladies bathroom. And, ah you know, essentially what uh, that was meant to get some media attention, you know&lt;/blockquote&gt;Source: Concerned Women for America podcast, available on their website. Theresa Rickman, and other members of the Citizens for a Responsible Government were &quot;coincidentally&quot; there at the time as witnesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that as the incident I referred to in this statement:</p>
<blockquote><p>The only other offense on record was by a member of a “family focussed” group that dressed in drag in order to “frame” transsexuals, though when caught, they said it was just a “publicity stunt”.</p></blockquote>
<p>The exact words were:<br />
<blockquote>THERESA RICKMAN: Yes, at Rio Sport and Health up in Germantown. A guy dressed as a girl went into the ladies bathroom. And, ah you know, essentially what uh, that was meant to get some media attention, you know</p></blockquote>
<p>Source: Concerned Women for America podcast, available on their website. Theresa Rickman, and other members of the Citizens for a Responsible Government were &#8220;coincidentally&#8221; there at the time as witnesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Marsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Food for thought: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59733</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Food for thought: <a href="http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59733" rel="nofollow">http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59733</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mikel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zoe, the ordinance was poorly worded. It can put an undue burden on local businesses. Citizens have voiced their opinions en mass and were ignored with flippant commentary by commissioner Lowe and Mayor Hanrahan. This is not acceptable behavior by any government official. They are not supposed to put their personal opinion above the peoples&#039;. Last I checked we lived in the United States of America and we elect representatives.

This is really not about hating transgendered individuals at all. The proponents of the ordinance have labeled us as hate mongers and bigots. I have personally been verbally assaulted while exercising my freedom to petition the government for a redress of grievances. There are people who behave badly on both sides of the issue (there always are), it is not slanted to one side or the other.

The reason Gainesville has a problem with this as opposed to other counties or cities, is that we are standing up for what we feel is violating our rights as individuals. Other cities or counties may not care or choose not to practice their liberties. We do care here. It is our community. We have concerns and all we are asking is that it come to a vote. 

Enough inhabitants of the city of Gainesville have put their opinion on paper in writing with a signature to get this ordinance to be voted upon.

The city of Gainesville is using OUR tax money to fight against us on this issue when the city should be a NEUTRAL party and let the people decide. Nice way to waste the revenue.

They have also gone so far as rewording the ballot language in favor of their agenda. This is government oppression of its people. I guess they learn well from the Federal example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zoe, the ordinance was poorly worded. It can put an undue burden on local businesses. Citizens have voiced their opinions en mass and were ignored with flippant commentary by commissioner Lowe and Mayor Hanrahan. This is not acceptable behavior by any government official. They are not supposed to put their personal opinion above the peoples&#8217;. Last I checked we lived in the United States of America and we elect representatives.</p>
<p>This is really not about hating transgendered individuals at all. The proponents of the ordinance have labeled us as hate mongers and bigots. I have personally been verbally assaulted while exercising my freedom to petition the government for a redress of grievances. There are people who behave badly on both sides of the issue (there always are), it is not slanted to one side or the other.</p>
<p>The reason Gainesville has a problem with this as opposed to other counties or cities, is that we are standing up for what we feel is violating our rights as individuals. Other cities or counties may not care or choose not to practice their liberties. We do care here. It is our community. We have concerns and all we are asking is that it come to a vote. </p>
<p>Enough inhabitants of the city of Gainesville have put their opinion on paper in writing with a signature to get this ordinance to be voted upon.</p>
<p>The city of Gainesville is using OUR tax money to fight against us on this issue when the city should be a NEUTRAL party and let the people decide. Nice way to waste the revenue.</p>
<p>They have also gone so far as rewording the ballot language in favor of their agenda. This is government oppression of its people. I guess they learn well from the Federal example.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcia Wimberly for Gainesville City Commissioner District 1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcia Wimberly for Gainesville City Commissioner District 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 18:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don, in response to your question regarding whether or not the city commission was RIGHT to reject the coal plant project; I would have to say that IF the citycommission had not explored, researched and done a comparative analysis of other alternative energy sources such as wind turbine, biochemical and solar energy to get the biggest &quot;bang for the buck&quot; and come up with the most cost efficient alternative energy source, then the city commission did the right thing. However, it is obvious we need to seriously look at this issue and make an educated and  informed decision to implement alternative energy source(s). - Marcia Wimberly Candidate for Gainesville City Commissioner District 1, Saturday January 24, 2009</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, in response to your question regarding whether or not the city commission was RIGHT to reject the coal plant project; I would have to say that IF the citycommission had not explored, researched and done a comparative analysis of other alternative energy sources such as wind turbine, biochemical and solar energy to get the biggest &#8220;bang for the buck&#8221; and come up with the most cost efficient alternative energy source, then the city commission did the right thing. However, it is obvious we need to seriously look at this issue and make an educated and  informed decision to implement alternative energy source(s). &#8211; Marcia Wimberly Candidate for Gainesville City Commissioner District 1, Saturday January 24, 2009</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe Brain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really wasn&#039;t jerking you around, I think that the city lawyer is way out of his depth.

Transgendered people do *not* need extra protection regarding restrooms. They *do* need extra protection regarding employment etc.

The &quot;pervert danger&quot; exists only as a legal theory, not in practice. The exact same danger, to the exact same degree, already exists and will exist afterwatrds, regardless of whether the law gets repealed or not.

The fact that there has never, in Gainesville or anywhere e;se, been a case of the &quot;danger&quot; being actualised, of perverts attempting to use laws like this as a defence, argues strongly that the danger is not real. 

Please talk to the City&#039;s lawyer about this, and for that matter, the Thomas Moore Law Centre. I&#039;m serious I&#039;m afraid, and this shows just how laughable much of the rest of the country sees the scare campaign as being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really wasn&#8217;t jerking you around, I think that the city lawyer is way out of his depth.</p>
<p>Transgendered people do *not* need extra protection regarding restrooms. They *do* need extra protection regarding employment etc.</p>
<p>The &#8220;pervert danger&#8221; exists only as a legal theory, not in practice. The exact same danger, to the exact same degree, already exists and will exist afterwatrds, regardless of whether the law gets repealed or not.</p>
<p>The fact that there has never, in Gainesville or anywhere e;se, been a case of the &#8220;danger&#8221; being actualised, of perverts attempting to use laws like this as a defence, argues strongly that the danger is not real. </p>
<p>Please talk to the City&#8217;s lawyer about this, and for that matter, the Thomas Moore Law Centre. I&#8217;m serious I&#8217;m afraid, and this shows just how laughable much of the rest of the country sees the scare campaign as being.</p>
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